Linux Mint 12 Review | LAS | s19e08

Linux Mint 12 Review | LAS | s19e08

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  • Mangolok1426

    Chris ,mint 12 was even more buggier
    than Ubuntu 11.04 was,still you gave them tons of credit for going
    with a severely dysfunctional DE (gnome shell),that fails in the most
    basic of tasks (no window controls,no shutdown and the weirdest way
    to launch apps -going all the way to the left corner), instead of
    going with unity which is a stable modern and well done desktop. You
    didn’t mention that mint now adopts the same ubuntu cd setup (no
    codecs).The fact you preferred mate which is unstable as hell,to
    gnome shell after all the over-hyped extensions proves how futile it
    is to use gnome shell for now.those extensions are not even part of
    the gnome development plans., just a community workaround, how long
    and how will a desktop survive on workarounds? You should admit mint
    12 was an over-hyped,overextended flop!be fair it is not even
    comparable to xubuntu,kubuntu,let alone ubuntu.BTW, the so called
    mint theme is the elementary theme,and have nothing to do with mint.

  • http://www.knightwithapc.com Knight

    Just checked my Samsung Galaxy S 4G (SGH-T959V) on T-Mobile for Carrier IQ and it came up clean. My Archos 70 Internet Tablet was clean too. Thanks Chris & Allan!

  • http://twitter.com/madhi19 John G

    Hey Chris where your Amazon affiliate link? I got to do some Christmas shopping soon and I still got some mturk money not spent.

  • http://profiles.google.com/mitchellpatrickmcfarlane Mitchell McFarlane

    Not that I don’t love Allan, but will Bryan be coming back?

  • Anonymous

    Hey John, you can use this link: http://www.amazon.com/?tag=thelinactsho-20

    There’s also a Think Geek link up in the show notes. And that Amazon link is at the VERY bottom of the site anytime you wanna use it.

    Thanks for the support!
    -Chris

  • Anonymous

    I’ve been a happy Linux User for 1 month and I found your site via Youtube and I must thank you for bringing back my inner geek. 

    I was a user on Win 7 that had only a trash can on my desktop. I sat the taskbar to have programs I used the most. When I switched to Ubuntu I went with a Cairo-Dock on the bottom and put my most used programs in that, I hid the Unity dock (with only folders and drives in it) to only pop out with the mouse cursor over the left side of the screen. I will admit, setting it up was a pain for a newbie, flash was a pain as  was my preferred bowser (Opera, odd I know)  since it was not in the repository but finding a “how to” was easy. 

    Mint was easy, and other then my graphics card, no issues on the install. I found some problems with the gnome tweak tool but it was minor. I find Mint 12 to be like XP, familiar and easy.  I’ve only had to install a couple programs and I’m now set. 

    So which one does this new user and former Windows person like more?

    Both!

    I find Ubuntu to be great for my everyday use. I like going to the same location to close a window, it makes sense to me and I really like having my “work flow”  being 100% left to right and top to bottom, just like reading and writing. Only time I want to go out of my “work flow”  is to open a new program. That said I HATE the left side dock but love my Cairo on the bottom.  I love the layout and look to my browser in Ubuntu, a bit more space makes a big difference.   see how Unity would work great on a tablet or phone.

    What I hate about Ubuntu is the lack of ease when it comes to running multiple programs and multiple folders. For this reason, I installed Mint to my  HDD.  I like the task-bar at the bottom when I run multiple windows (even better with the XP feel) . If Ubuntu wants to do Unity the right way, you add dock/task-bar that pops out with a mouse hover… at the bottom of screen.  I would be in distro heaven if that existed.

    So for me I will use Ubuntu for day to day stuff and Mint when I’m doing design work. That said I will recommend  Mint to friends and family because it is easy to use. My live usb will be Mint unless I decided to give openSUSE a run soon.

    Love the show! Thanks for the info.

  • Dmo

    Great show as always, I would have liked for you to touch on linux mints red headed step child, LMDE, as thats the version that is most interesting to me. Good review tho, i feel bad for the mint guys, they are stuck in a crappy position and are doing their best

  • LSP

    Chris:

    I wanted to point out to errors on the Gnome 3 part of your Mint 12 review:
    1) The notifications on/off toggle on the user menu is not Mint’s doing. It’s like that in the standard Gnome 3.2 user menu.

    2) There is no need to log out of your session to power off your computer in Fedora or any other distribution that ships a standard Gnome 3. To power off hold the alt key, the suspend option in the user menu will turn into power off.

    I understand that you (and many others) don’t like Gnome Shell and the general direction of the Gnome project, but it’s clear from these mistakes that you didn’t even bother to research Gnome 3 and MSGE. Those 2 things are not obscure pieces of information, they are easy to find online.

    Your show is a source of information for a lot of people that may form their opinions on something based on what they see here alone. In speaking like you often do about Gnome 3 you influence your viewers not to try it for themselves for fear of some catastrophic meltdown of their productivity.

    The fact is that Gnome 3 is vastly different to previous versions, that may take some time getting used to, that you may hate it, but is a perfectly usable desktop environment, and a very stable one (if you don’t have an AMD graphics card apparently).

    If you don’t like Gnome 3, fine, but don’t scare your viewers out of trying it with erroneous information or wild claims of loss of productivity. Some of them may like it.

    Sorry about the rant.

  • Daniel Anderson

    Byran + Allan  + Chris IMO

    PLOX

  • Guest

    After GNOME 3.0 and GNOME 3.2 reviews there shouldn’t have been as much misinformation as there were. It’s pretty clear you have no idea what is part of GNOME 3 on what is not. Unfortunately this quite common in LAS.

    How the reviews are done changes a lot and too much. As a listener it’s really hard to compare which distribution is the best – why and how.
    Some distributions gets bashed because of upstream bug [1] but for some reason problems like that are not problem in Mint (“Sun Java 6 …” three times in menu). Some distributions gets bashed because of bad icons but it’s just fine to have messed up icons in Mint menu (UXterm, Xterm, “Configurati…”, etc).

    [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=649823

    It would help a lot if there would be a base template for reviews and additional to that you would take account the differences between distributions.
    This Mint reviews gives an impression that you are not interested about FOSS philosophy and that’s why distributions like Debian just sucks because they don’t install proprietary applications by default.

    A new GNOME website https://extensions.gnome.org would have deserved a mention.

  • http://pinguy-os.sourceforge.net/ Pinguy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT5E25bjNBA

    Have a look at this. Gnome 3 tweaked.

  • anon

    I really don’t understand why Mint tweaked Mate desktop instead of gnome 3 in fallback mode, which is fresher, supported upstream by gnome and almost identical to the classical gnome 2.x desktop.

  • Bryan Come Back

    I wish. At least Bryan would have actually tried out Mint 12 for the review.

  • Mohan

    I was just going to say the same thing. I like Allan as well, but Bryan was so pumped up and Fedora hated and made the show really entertaining. I would like LAS with all three that would be awesome!

  • Mohan

    Yes Allan is right, an OS should get out of your way so you can do what you want to do and get things done.

  • Anonymous

    Where the heck happened to the Ogg or WebM videos?

  • Anonymous

    I will second that. No offense Allan, your brain may be filled with eye opening knowledge, but B man can flat out make you roll on the floor laughing lol. But having all 3 would make the show 10 times better than with just Cris and Bryan, or just Chris and Allan. 

    God Bless ya guys, and please more “In-Depth” looks and maybe some surveys on what we think about Carrier IQ or maybe even what we think of Tablets and what our perfect tablet would be

  • James Rodriguez

    Chris, you seemed to get annoyed at the idea that iOS was protecting its users better than Android, what you don’t seem to appreciate, and this is something you have failed to grasp in previous rants as well, is that the customer for Android is the carriers, it is not the end user. When you realise that then just about every questionable choice in the Android world makes sense. This is why for example iOS devices get OS updates for years and Android devices never get updates at all, because the customer relationship is between Google and the carriers and goes no further than that. 

  • http://oddnetwork.org haliphax

    Hey there, guys! Long time listener, first time commenter.

    Let me start by saying that I truly appreciate this podcast. I can’t listen to podcasts, books on audio, etc. while I sling code; since that’s what I spend a fair amount of my time doing, I’ve had to whittle down my podcast selection to a VERY tight handful. You guys are definitely on the list!

    I just wanted to point out that research done regarding the pervasiveness of particular Linux distributions using sources like Twitter and Facebook is not looking in the right places. I know that the Linux-related chatter on social networks like Google+, Diaspora, and Status Net / Identi.ca far outweighs the concentration found in “mainstream” networks (from personal experience re: Google+ and Identi.ca). I would be interested to see the results of a tag/group search comparison from Identi.ca outlining the different frequencies of discussion devoted to various distros.

    Cheers from a Lubuntu (home) / Debian (VPS) user from mid-Missouri; keep up the fantastic work!

    P.S. – Allan, I think you do a fantastic job. Bryan certainly made me chuckle occasionally, but his humor (and excitability) wound up going over the top more often than I was entirely comfortable with. Your breadth of knowledge with server administration and more balanced viewpoint (coming from such a BSD-heavy background) have made the show fresh and exciting for me again.

    I wouldn’t be against Bryan coming back–he can be quite an enjoyable character to listen to, I will admit… and his ideals about “getting off of Google’s cloud” and taking charge of your own data are definitely something I can get behind–but if it’s necessary for you to part ways in order to do so, it will truly be a tragic loss to LAS.

    I’ll have to check me out some Tech Snap next!

  • Anonymous

    I did a little more then checked out the vid, I actually removed Ubuntu and put in the stable release. The layout is almost exactly like I want. 

  • http://pinguy-os.sourceforge.net/ Pinguy

    Thanks scjdesigns, really glad you like it. Lets hope Chris decides to take a look :)
    I am finding it pretty hard to promote Pinguy OS because of all the Mint news. Even though Pinguy OS was released first. I think it might be because I decided to keep it as a beta until Gnome 3.4 comes out.

  • Guest

    bring back true flash full screen. fu html5. fu copyright.

  • Champ

    I have been using Linux as my main desktop OS since 2004.  Since Gnome3 was released I have found it hard to defend Linux, and at times have found myself bashing it as well.  I wrestled with Linuxmint12 for about 2 hours last night.  Gnome crashed about 6 times in those 2 hours.  Garbage.

    I tried LMDE as well, but noticed that the mint menu takes up 388MB of virtual mem.  Garbage.

    I should say that I was doing all of this because I was sick of all the issues I was having with ubuntu 11.  Both Unity and Gnome were garbage on there as well.

    So I finally finished a pure Debian Squeeze install at about 11pm.  It was so nice to just be able to place icons where I want them, and not have my display manager crashing/restarting every 15 minutes.

    I really cannot understand why these distros are so hard up on Gnome3 and making the new flashy UI that a) doesn’t work b) is more restrictive (more difficult to customize) than MacOS c) embarrassingly unstable.  But I suppose when it works, it looks cool, and you have to give the people what they want. 

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