Sad little man is right.

Just to go off on another tangent here, I really hate the way Bryan publicly humiliates, yes humiliates, Danica Patrick at the start of every show. She is not an object for him to fulfil his personal sexual gratification and titilation. Bryan carries on like a teenage schoolboy jerking off in the basement to a ligerie catalogue.

Bryan, you are a grown man, with a wife and family. I am sure your wife is none to happy with you mentally masturbating to a website model in public every week.

Not the way to garner support from the show’s major sponsor. I am sure Danica would be appalled with your behaviour too.

The problem is that the only way to truly own a software is to own the source, that dose not  mean that the programmer has given you the design.

Good show…a couple of things…RMS is not correct…freedom (liberty  is better) means you can do whatever you want as long as do not do harm to other people’s property. Property being things they own; their bodies or their words. Property is the key word. I think RMS does not believe in property rights of others.  So he can not believe in liberty…non-free software does not infringe on the property rights of others. 

Chris made a great point about contracts/agreements liberty is concerned with contract law.  Contracts between individuals, individuals/business and business/business.  When you purchase a proprietary piece of software/hardware; you agree to certain things.  It is understood that you are willing to give up certain liberties to use said product.  Brian is correct that GPL also restricts liberties as well, and you give up those liberties to use the software or as a developer you give up certain liberties. 

In essence the constitution of the US is a contract between the people, states and federal government.  The people & the states give up certain liberties to the federal government. I.e. regulating trade, signing treaties with other countries, defending the country and so forth.  Anything not written in the constitution as a role of the federal government is giving to the people and the states.  We have the bill of rights because those are natural rights that no government can take a way. 

Last point.  RMS is an elitist and an uber progressive…look at the history of the progressive movement….Woodrow Wilson those types, you will see the things about children and stuff like that.  He is not incorrect about free software. I think it is good. But developing/building proprietary software/hardware, DRM and so forth are not unethical.  They are contracts; you can choose to use them or not to use them.  Don’t buy software, ebooks, movies, PS3s or whatever if you do not like the agreements.  But understand that you give up certain liberties to use those products. 

 Free Software nor Propriety software protect any freedoms or liberties.  They are contracts between people.  Contracts are agreements.  Parties agree to give up certain liberties.  When you agree to the GPL you are agree to give up certain liberties. 

RMS is not respecting the freedom of others to do as they choose.  This is not an ethical issue.  Nor is it a true issue of liberty.  Liberty is the ability to do as you choose without harming another person’s property.  Property being anything you own, say, believe and so forth. 

RMS removes other individual’s liberties by stating because he believes in free software he should benefit financially. Others should not.  But he is taking their liberty of making contracts with others.  He is an elitist plan and simple.  He doesn’t care about freedom.  I bet he believes in income taxes and redistribution of wealth.  Both of those things take a way people’s freedoms.

Bryan, you are a joy to listen to argue, you make points very well. I agree with you about Stallman in everyway, he is the kind of person who forces an opinion down your throat and then makes money via ways similar to what he disagrees with,

I’m afraid to listen. I liked last weeks. I don’t like everything RMS said but it made me think. I knew that Bryan would come back with something this week and I just don’t want the LAS to be ruined. Bryan has a strong personality, not as strong as RMS but strong. The last episode was thought provoking, will this one be? 

Bryan dude,
You need to step back and think a little more, and a little more deeply.  There would be no Linux or free software movement without the GPL and particularly Stallman.  You are missing the big picture very badly.  I think you’ll look back on this and be embarrassed…if you have any integrity. 

This was a shameful episode where you tear apart someone without their ability to argue with you…really wrong and worthless…a half hour of your flawed point of view with sound bytes from the last show to bolster your weak arguments.  Cringeworthy…that is all I can say.  He is a great mind, with integrity and a vision…you…in this interview…not so much.  You are making yourself appear more and more ridiculous and losing viewers faster than you can shout insults.

SLOW…MOTION…TRAIN….WRECK 
But keep on shouting, we’ll all come around to your very narrow, personalised and parochial viewpoint by the volume and vehemence of your arguing with a recording.

Ideals are unbending…compromise would have killed free software a thousand times over…but I’m not sure you would recognise an ideal let alone harbor one.

Great, let Brian dig the hole even deaper… don’t do it

After this I’m very close to ending my monthly 
Support….

I’ve just watched the show I have gained a new respect for RMS.  He makes so many valid points yet they are totally misunderstood & misinterpreted by Bryan & Chris.  The most ludicrous being the “starve my child” response.  The whole pre-comment asking if a thief can use the same excuse for stealing, was ignored.

Overall the discussion is actually a waste of time.  There are much greater Freedom Issues than software.  Personal Freedoms that are being eroded by the US Government seems to get less interest than software.

Wow – giving it a listen tonight, certainly seems like there’s going to be some juicy drama in there.

Although, Bryan, perhaps you ought to give the original interview a listen, maybe it was a bit much to be on the spot, 100+ viewers on the stream (which you’re used to, but still) while interviewing Richard Stallman.

Now I certainly understand why some can see RMS as more than a little annoying and I do recall reading a less-than-flattering account from a woman who had RMS staying at her home because her husband was an open source enthusiast.

THAT SAID – there is more merit to his argument than you give him credit for, sure, I doubt he *listens* much to others and he has that annoying tendency to say things like “that doesn’t make any sense”, ” you’re defining it wrong” “we’re covering the same ground” and whatnot – BUT, you cannot argue that you probably could:

a) make a living as something else

b) the argument that you need to make a living does not necessarily justify an action iff. that action is to the detriment of the collective (we tend to call that egoistic behaviour)

c) you probably could get paid doing open source software development.

I’m down 3 years of a software development education and so I’ll probably be just as much affected as you are and having to work in the same industry, but I do not think it impossible to do custom software jobs and I do not see the problem of licensing the product thereof as free software.

Just my .2 cents as a someone who is aspiring to write code for food and who *also* is very terrible with his hands and who would probably burn down the factory before you got around to it

Wow, Bryan.  

I have been waiting so many years for somebody to do an epic, face-to-face takedown of RMS on his over-the-top ideology on what he calls freedom.  I was hoping when he started spouting off that you guys would match up and lock horns, going blow for blow.

I’m so with you guys on proprietary software – a coder’s gotta eat.  I am one.  I write software for the man, and while I’d love to live in this utopia where everybody tries their hardest, scratches their own itches, meets their potentials, and nobody hurts for a mortgage payment.  But this is the real world.

You completely killed it.  

And then, you went overboard.  The bit about “Stallman hates kids!” was just melodramatic and played out the second time you said it.  The pedophile-sympathizer bit was way, way below the belt, even though it’s not entirely fabricated, just taken a bit out of context (don’t get me wrong, what he actually said [http://stallman.org/archives/2003-mar-jun.html#28%20June%202003%20()] is still way off-base).  

You had a really good opportunity to make a valid point – all you had to do was let him speak for himself, and he would invalidate his own points.  A few well-placed arguments, and you’re my hero – but you sunk lower than low trying to prove your point, and I ultimately lost a ton of respect for the both of you.

I really hope next week’s episode is something boring like reviewing what’s coming up on fedora so that the hate comments will stop, lol. Bryan, you rock dude. Chris, you are ok. J/k Chris, you are the sunshine that brightens my mornings on Sundays. You sirs, are the stars. Keep making them, I’ll keep watching them.

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Charles 

 Fans… How old are you?  We are debating, and disgusted at the lack of debate afforded to their previous guest in this episode and the personalised attacks on him…made even more pathetic because he wasn’t there to defend himself.  Really lad… Grow up?  Hmmm, methinks the phrase explains it all.  On top of which, their guest is one of the guiding lights behind the free software movement and his vision has made possible what this entire show is about…a founding father if you will.  His viewpoints have merit, logic and consistency, whether you agree with him or not.  Bryan is a failed software developer who can’t sell his software and seems to be blaming everyone else, and his arguments seem to boil down to “yeah well he’s a paedophile” and “free software stops me from feeding my kid.” 

 Thank you, captain obvious.

You also managed to miss the point.

Show me where once Stallman, and the free software movement he started decades ago, has said you cannot sell software, you cannot make money from software…I can’t believe I have to explain this but
…the free is in freedom, not as in beer… 
I know Bryan didn’t listen to Stallman… and didn’t want to hear him…I’ve watched Bryan be painfully and wilfully obtuse on this point dozens of times… but did you listen to Stallman?  You could do worse than try and understand the well thought through, polished, and reasoned philosophy which has brought about linux and the whole open source movement… (which is the missed opportunity that Bryans tantrum has brought about on the last show let alone the awful spectacle of this show)
Nonetheless I’d like to point out to you that Red Hat is a billion dollar company selling free (as in freedom) software…  Bryan has a little bit of jobs and ballmer envy in him… but the software world is changing and for the better in my opinion, and we have to find new models which aren’t as abusive of individuals and their rights as Bryan has unfortunately painted himself in the corner defending.

So I’ve just waste a fair bit of my life.  Not that watching this Linux Action Show was a waste of my time but instead I read comments to the show.  Wow, never realized how many RMS zealots there are.  It’s like a cult of brain washing has landed in tech-ville and members can here to prove they drank the cool-aid.
Stallman is an idiot … and anyone to that agrees with him is an idiot.There are real issues that we need to confront like software patents.Freedom does not equal the lack of ownership.If someone right something and they don’t want you to use it, no argument from me.If someone prevents someone from writing something ok now we have a problem, a real problem that actual hampers freedom.

I have never been so disgusted with a linux talkshow in my life. Bryan resorted to calling RMS a “dick” and other absurd ad hominems because he clearly knew RMS is right. Noone here cares about Bryans evil proprietary apps in Apple’s App-prison/store and noone cares about Bryan feeding his daughter. Having children is the #1 cause of destruction of our planets ecosystem, and it’s not a justification for anything. I will badmouth and boycott this shitty show from now on and i hope every GNU/Linux enthousiast will do the same.

Brother, you just took the words right out of my mouth. I came here to express these same feelings, but you put it in just the right words.

Stooping to the level of saying RMS is a pedophilia sympathizer is just not comprehensible. I do not know what RMS said about pedophilia, and it doesn’t matter. I’m not going to look it up. To make a point, that is, to get others to sympathize with him, Brian twists words or simply sees things in the frame in which suits his purposes. I only listen to this show to hear Linux news anyway and to possibly learn a few things that I might have missed because I often don’t have time to read a lot of news on the Web. In short, I’ll be looking for a different Linux podcast. I’m done with the shock-jock mentality of the LAS and the constant barrage of hate for anything that doesn’t find absolute favor with the hosts. They are entitled to their opinions, but often times, as this and the RMS interview have shown, it goes beyond personal opinion and into personal attacks or baseless accusations constructed from the opinions of the hosts.

You think you are safe with this argument, using your children, you are not.

I have to disagree that RMS “redefined the word” freedom – he describes freedom as being free from oppression.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/freedom (definition 5)
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/freedom (definition 2)

He’s not redefining it, he’s referring to a specific definition, which is different to the one you are (definitions 3 and 5, respoectively)

 You might rob people on street just to feed your children because you don’t have money to sustain them.

Don’t use your children for an excuse after doing something that is considered unethical.

If Brian thinks that getting paid for software is his only way of making living , than he should form a Windows Action show or a Mac Action show.
If then he called Stallman into the show and argue the same way he did in Linux action show , I would respect him more !

P.S. Richard does not have Children and he is not in position to understand their value to their parents. If he had children and said something like that , in that case i would disrespected him as I disrespect Brian now !

 My God, 
The company you are keeping Bryan.  Look what is crawling out of the primordial slime to agree with you …  Thats right, Stallman is a zionist, one world government, United Nations loving, Hippie, Nazi, Communist, eco-nazi, inter-genrational sex, Talmudist  Paedophile, eugenicist, animal loving,   freetard.

I bet he doesn’t believe in Christmas or the easter bunny either.  And all I was interested in with Stallman was how he was going to continue working to keep linux from being co-opted and shutdown by the corporate predators.  Little did I realise that he was actually the anti-christ, bin-laden and the boogey-man all rolled in to one man.  (before I get selectively edited out like on the LUNDUKE BLOG…this is indeed sarcasm.)

The LINUX action show is now crawling in the slime with the really scarier part of american society…you can tell a lot about a man by who his friends are.  This is part of your yearly Terets meltdown I hope, and not another pitiful cry for attention.  2009 Stallman is the devil, 2010 linux sucks, 2011 linux still sucks, 2012, stallman is the devil…

Give it a rest.

Freedom from oppression would also be more inline with classical philosophers, and, it is philosophy that we are talking about here.

 It’s true, there is no real reason why I should be here instead of rock moss, but since I am, and more capable, I shall put my existence before rock moss.