Fedora 17 Review | LAS | s22e01

Fedora 17 Review | LAS | s22e01

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Fedora 17 Review:

  • The Fedora 17 release criteria: “The install completes, the installed system works”
  • LVM out of the box + Solid advanced installation options are nice to see compared to Ubuntu
  • No Chromium? Is this the 1930s?
  • GNOME 3.4
  • Linux Kernel 3.3
  • Top features for “desktop” users of Fedora 17
  • ABRT back-trace de-duplication service to reduce the number of duplicate bug reports submitted automatically upon experiencing a crash
  • A tool for customizing fonts on a per language-basis on desktops using fontconfig
  • Haskell Platform 2011.4
  • Support for EXT4 file-systems beyond 16 terabytes in size
  • A Non-Uniform Memory Alignment Daemon
  • Virtualization sandbox support
  • Supporting OpenStack’s Quantum virtual networking service
  • Fedora now uses the Unified structure of organizing the file system. It means, that several directories like “/bin”, “/lib” and “/sbin” have been moved to “/usr/bin” etc. respectively.

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Dedicated Home Partitioning

As you discussed during the howto segment, there is a bit flexibility to setting up your partitions. When setting up partitions for Ubuntu, I recommend the following setup.

  1. Choose Try Ubuntu, then run Gparted.

  2. If you have two drives attached, you will have two drives available from the pull down menu. Select the one you wish to use for your / and swap.

  3. Right click select on the unallocated space, choose new.

  4. With the new dialog open, choose the Ext4 file system, Extended partition, and place swap in the label. For the partition size, choose double the amount of your RAM. If you have 2 Gbs of RAM (2048 Mbs), then make the swap 4 Gbs. This will make you suspending your PC much smoother and lessen the likelihood of system crashing on resume. Leave the other options alone, click Add.

  5. Still with the system drive selected, next you’ll right click on the unallocated space and choose new.

  6. For the partition size, choose the remainder of the space available for that drive. This will be the larger unallocated space available, of the two visible. Select Primary partition, and place / in the label. Leave the other options alone, click Add.

  7. Now go back to top right of Gparted and toggle the second drive you’ve decided to use as a /home partition.

  8. For the partition size, choose the remainder of the space available for that drive. This will be the larger unallocated space available, of the two visible. Select extended partition, and place /home in the label. Leave the other options alone, click Add.

  9. With all of this done, click the green check mark at the top of Gparted. This will apply all of your settings changes.

  10. Start the installer. Click on continue until you come to the Erase everything or Something Else options. Choose Something Else.

  11. You will now see different partitions laid out before you. Below the drive designations, you will see actual “free space” areas, broken up into three sections. The smallest, is your swap. The other two will be your / and /home options.

  12. The smallest free space, should be at the top of the list. Click it, then click on Add.
    The only option you change here is the pulldown menu to select Swap Area. Then click Ok.

  13. The next free space in the list, should be the one I designated as the system partition. Click it, then click on Change. The only options you change here is the Use As Ext4, toggle format and the pulldown menu to select to / . Click Ok.

  14. The last one in the list, is going to be for /home. Click it, then click on Add. Now select the mount point as /home. Click Ok. NOTE: The home partition should only be selected to format is it’s brand new. For future installs, you will want to click on it in this dialog, make sure format is NOT selected, in the future.

  15. Make sure at the bottom of the dialog box, you’ve chosen to place the bootloader in the system selected hard drive. While we can also rely on the /boot option in partitioning, it’s rarely used for home systems.

  16. Now choose Install Now. You’re all done!

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26 Responses to “Fedora 17 Review | LAS | s22e01”

  1. Adamthegeek Says:

    Nice app pick!

  2. Rob Williams Says:

    I am not sure if it’s just me or not, but the mobile video this week and last won’t download 100%. I got about 83MB of this one before it stopped.

  3. ChrisLAS Says:

    Hi Rob,

    What area are you in? Are you able to play the episode, say the last few minutes using the embedded player above? (It pulls the same file).


  4. Rob Williams Says:

    Hi Chris: 

    I am not sure what the issue was, but it’s been fixed for both episodes. It could have been an ISP issue (I live in east coast Canada). Sorry for the false alarm, and keep up the good work!


  5. Matt Says:

    Hi Chris,

    Don’t publish this. I have been a fan of the show almost since the beginning. I have used your codes at GoDaddy to purchase domains and hosting. I think you guys are great and I wish you the best always, however, if you continue to put these boring tutorials in the show I’m going to stop listening. I listen to your show for the energy and fun that you and Bryan bring to the news about Linux. I love your informed commentary and opinions. There are many other podcasts that are oriented towards beginners, and YouTube is FULL of step by step Linux “how to’s.” I don’t want to hear tutorials on your show. It slows it down and sucks the energy and FUN! right out of the show. Again, I really do wish you and Bryan the best, you are awesome! But if there is a tutorial in next weeks show, I won’t be listening anymore. Thank-You so much for the years of entertainment, and information. Up to now it really has been great, and something I have looked forward to every week. Take care, Matt.

  6. Matt Hartley Says:

     Well to be fair, the how-tos are both requests and for video.Understandable that in audio format, “listening” to a video howto would be rather boring.

  7. Mc Keznak Says:

    … “don’t publish this”
    You do know that you just posted this right?

    I’m curious as to why the tutorial would spark so much anger, besides they are usually at the end, if you don’t like them you could stop listening when they start.

  8. Forrest Guyton Says:

    if i write my application in C can I still win the rasberry pi with a fun ncurses image/video veiwer that can output C and do other cool stuf

  9. Forrest Guyton Says:

     never mind its probably to late

  10. Christopher Urie Says:

    I have only been using Linux for about 2 years and i don’t know everything no one does and i think if you want to get new users to start using Linux, this part of the show is pretty cool and informative even if its just something you think that may come in useful in the future. If you dont like that part .. Skip it, Its a great part of the show.

  11. Blaapp Says:

    I run my lenovo s10 without swap, with 2 gigs of ram. Never had a problem. Besides , Linux only swaps as a last resort. ( Unlike a certain proprietary OS )

  12. Guest Says:

    The review didn’t say anything at all… except on theming and the use of Gnome shell. It doesn’t say what makes it a good release or not. I noticed the same problem in the past few reviews: Commentary without enough demonstration behind it.

  13. Rob Williams Says:

    I agree. I’ve been using Linux for over 10 years and still enjoy tutorials like this. Sometimes it tips me off on something I just didn’t clue into before. Plus, Matt brings his own fun personality to the show. He might not be as crazy as Bryan or Chris, but he doesn’t need to be. 

    I do think a tutorial-free audio edition would be a great idea though, since I assume anyone complaining about this is not able to simply skip over a section they are not interested in.

  14. Martin de Boer Says:

    2 minute review of Linux Mint 13 please.

  15. Dale Moore Says:

    I think Brian was trolling us. He’s so sick of the bad reviews, he decided to give a positive one…even if he didn’t mean it lol.

    Its not like anyone expected fedora to be anything other than what its been all along. Looks like this one is more of the same

  16. Iamoverrated Says:

    No mention of Mageia 2 being released :*(

  17. georgezilla Says:

    The How-To …
    I may be getting old. And my memory may not be what it once was.That being said I have ALWAYS partitioned manually. I have always had separate swap, / and home partitions. Sometimes even separate boot and usr too. Because that was the way it was done. Period.Swap between 1.5 an2 times memory. 100 – 200M boot if required. And what was left, roughly divided evenly between / and home.

    So that’s not the way it’s done? Huh, imagine that. I’ve been doing it wrong all there years. And I’ve been using Linux, what, 14 – 15 years now? Damn.

    That sucks. Oh well.

  18. georgezilla Says:

    Oh, and Bryan, you are wrong. Linux doesn’t suck. The current crop of Linux users does. 

    Maybe that’s why Linux will never have it’s “year of the desktop”. 

    That sucks. Oh well. 

  19. georgezilla Says:

    ” … The review didn’t say anything at all…  … ”
    Could it be that is because that is/was all there is worth saying about it? Nothing at all?

    I used Fedora when it was RedHat Linux. It was freaking great. Then It became Fedora Core, and I stopped using it.  Because it wasn’t great. Now 17 versions later, I’ve tried them all. And it’s still not. The best I can say about it is ….. meh. Kind of like Ubuntu.

    But then I guess it’s not about Linux any more. It’s about the money.

    Oh well.

  20. georgezilla Says:

    ” … Well to be fair, the how-tos are requested by those who watch the video … ”
    Fair? Lol. 
    They don’t know how to use Google? Or are they to lazy to do it themselves?

    So how do these “how-to’s” help them? What do they learn from them? I mean really. And why should they LEARN anything? When they can just whine and someone gives them the answer. These are not “how-to’s”. They are spooning feeding people who can’t do on their own.

     Ubuntu is doing nothing to educate computer users. It is just another Apple and OS X. Something that cool people use. Because it makes them cool to use it. Linux’s like Ubuntu, are helping to dumb computers down. When it use to help lift up it’s users. Linux users used to be the on top of the food chain. Now they are just goldfish in a bowl.

    No wonder so many of them go for the big shiney buttons that they are being fed by Unity, Metro and G3. That’s all the brighter they are.

     “Oooooo! Pretty!”

  21. wheim Says:

    I have given this some thought. I don’t really feel the tutorials fit all that well into LAS’s format, to be honest. I like the tutorials however, even if most of them are not for me. 

    I feel like the tutorials would be better of being published in their own video. It would fit the format of LAS better, and would also make finding the tutorials much easier. That way people can go in and grab LAS, and those who are interested also grabs the HOWTO :)
    Would also be more flexible for you, in when/how often you want to release them.

  22. Matt Hartley Says:

    I dig that you have always partitioned with a solid DIY approach, shows you’re involved and take pride in your computing. Yeah, today’s distros have made us lazy…so this howto addresses the return to the DIY mindset. :)

  23. Matt Hartley Says:

    Alrighty then…. :)

  24. Matt Hartley Says:

    Great feedback. Seriously, it’s refreshing to see. 

    There was a time I did them as a standalone item, user ctsdownloads on YouTube. However LAS wanted to expand into other areas, such as inclusion of some of these in-studio howtos (think TechTV).As it has turned out, the overall response has been very good. Topics are suggested in the subreddit, folks are feeling engaged, and many newer users are learning stuff. :)The mindset of keeping them inside of the LAS shows are that they provide a little segway from a strict commentary format. It balances the show out for everyone, even if the segments are not a match for every user type. Hopefully that makes sense.

    Thanks wheim!

  25. Steven Drinnan Says:

    You missed a very important feature in Fedora – I have not tested – but it is verified to work. Automatic Multi Seat support. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ckremoval

    There is even devices avail – see http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=plugable_multiseat_kick&num=1


  26. Louis Tim Larsen Says:

    Please review it guys:

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